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Fireside
Formerly Wakefield Stove
JohnDebar@gmail.com

Fireside Online Located at
52 Main St, Wakefield, RI.
Phone: 401- 783-6054 Email: johndebar@gmail.com
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Why Brochures are Counterproductive in Choosing the Optimal Stove


by John Debar, owner of Fireside Stove Shop. 52 Main St, Wakefield, RI 401-783-6054

Brochures provide performance data and wording describing that data. It comes from the UL listing testing agency. The data itself is true, but very misleading, due to ignorant wording chosen to define the data. This is a major hindrance to choosing the correct ‘flash combustion’ stove or insert. Here's a list of brochure flaws that insures even 'Einstein' would choose the least optimal size and type.

 

Eight Brochure Flaws...

applies to all brands of stoves and inserts:
Brochure Flaw 1: (Heating Capacity)
Poor brochure wording accidently feeds the outdated concern a large stove will overheat. Here's how: A typical large capacity stove, the 'Legacy' model for example, has a brochure stated 'Heating Capacity' of '1600-2500' square ft. Anyone with a tiny 900 sq ft home would reject it for a smaller stove. However, the 'Legacy' stove is ideally sized for 900 sq ft. How can this be? The fault lies in the careless choice of calling 'Max Heating Range', the 'Heating Capacity'. The 'Max Heating Range' is 1600-2500' square ft.. The maximum the 'Legacy' can heat is the lower number in the range, 1600 sq ft, given the home is in a very cold climate, like found in Canada, and/or have a poorly insulated home. In a warmer winter region it will heat to the upper range of 2500 sq feet. So, 1600 sq ft is the low end of the maximum it will heat, not what the stove heats on low!

Brochure Fix: Substitute 'Max Heat Range' for the incorrect 'Heating Capacity' term.

 

Brochure Flaw 2: (Most useful spec for proper stove sizing, is left out of the brochure!)

If the brochure stated the space heated on the low setting, then and only then could a shopper make an intelligent stove sizing choice, and gain the long burn durations that insure added fuel savings, ease of use, and stable overnight heating. However, nowhere on any manufacturers brochure does it state what a stoves minimum heating range is.

A '1600-2500' square ft. rated 'Legacy' stove happens to heat only 500-800 sq feet when on low! The Legacy then is an ideal stove for 900 sq/ft, but is rejected every time because 1600 is the low number in the max range. Understanding this brochure flaw is the only way you can experience stated max burn time of 11 hours. Firesides demo burn model stove is extra large. It is close to the largest in the industry, touting a 'Heating Capacity' of 2000-3000 sq ft. On colder days, this stove on low leaves our 650 sq foot demonstration area a bit chilly, even when packed full with fully dry seasoned wood. Because it needs to be turned up a bit, the burn duration is 12 hours, instead of the max of 14 hours.

Thus, the brochure directs shoppers to small stoves that do not provide convenient overnight burns and   temperature stability in far away sections of the home.
Brochure Fix: If you have to heat more than 800 to 1000 square feet, then choose the largest stove you can afford. Only do this if it's engineered to take a beating and stay airtight. The payback more than offsets the added cost.

 

Brochure Flaw 3: (Max Burn Times)
Because flaw  #2 made you wrongly fear a large or XL stove, eyes drift to the smaller model, such as the 'Striker', with a 'heating capacity' of 700-1300 sq /ft. Sounds right for half the homes out there. Nearly everyone falls victim to this trap. It indeed heats 1300 sq ft, but the corresponding burn time is a very short 2-3 hours. This is far from the brochure stated 6-8 hour burn time! Therefore, the smaller stove is a terrible choice, in that it is off most of the time! Who would want it off, when a flash combustion stove is half the wood and work of yesterday's air-tights, with a free fuel option! (pine that is often free)

Brochure Fix: The MAX burn time of a stove on the highest heat setting is 1/3 the time range stated, not the low number in the max burn time range given.

Brochure Flaw 4: (Fireplace insert photos don't represent the look folks choose 99% of the time)
Fireplace insert brochure pictures show a totally different appearance than what most folks opt for. Most choose to omit the optional metal surrounds, unique to models Fireside carries. In doing so, they saved $150, increased heat output, and omit the hearth extension, preserving much of the look and feel of the fireplace.
Brochure Fix: Check out the photos on the pricing page, or request I email pictures.


                                                                                                                                                           

Brochure Flaw 5: Why are efficiency ratings not trustworthy in stove selection?

Fireside carries the highest efficiency stoves on the market, at up to 94% efficiency. As an engineer of 30 years, I often wondered why the testing entity that determines brochure data, doesn't supply a graph showing efficiency differences of each stove model as a function of the selected heat setting, ...for low, medium, or high. The brochure is a poor guide when it neglects to warn you that the max efficiencies are not realized when on or near the highest heat setting.

Brochure Fix: Highest efficiencies are obtained on lower settings, so beware of selecting a small stove that would need to be operated on high most of the time. Also, it doesn't matter what the tested efficiencies are.

 

Brochure Flaw 6: (Bait and Switch)

 Firesides demo doesn't end by concluding flash combustion wood stoves are 3-4 times improved. This is the starting point of why it is so important to come in for the demo. You're now able to understand the magnitude of the loss, as most FC stoves soon fail, and revert to 1/3 of promised. Showing why most models fail with no repair or warranty recourse, is the second part of the in-store demo. Ironically, it is the more expensive brands, not just extreme low-end brands, that are soon reduced to scrap metal. The third part of the demonstration is seeing a uniquely engineered stove design that will never fail.

What evidence is there that air tight stoves leaked as a rule? Look at the reason why stove pipe dampers were always installed with new airtight stoves. It was to bank down a ‘soon to be' leaky stove. However, with flash combustion stoves, a second problem occurs worse than overheating. The unintended air breaching the stove, drops fire box vacuum, and as a result, cuts efficiency in half, along with losing many other niceties such as long burn times, half the wood handling, free pine fuel, and stay clean chimneys. Because most stoves are carelessly engineered, they soon revert to half the brochure stated efficiency when over fired. Does it then matter what efficiency the brochure promised?

The independent testing agency is negligent, in that they do not test the stove in red hot mode, to confirm it survives. What good is a stove that permanently reverts to 1/3 of what it should be? Let Fireside show you a leak proof stove that costs considerably less than a comparably sized leak prone cast iron stove.

Brochure Fix: Ignore brochure specs. Focus on stoves you can confirm by inspection are engineered with thick steel unibody, with laser cut door openings, all stainless baffle supports and tubes,  high density bricks, with door and glass gasket adjusters that make gasket replacement rare.

 

Brochure Flaw 7:
Why are emissions ratings not trustworthy in stove selection?
Fireside carries one of the cleanest burning wood stoves, at 1.6 grams /hour. However, impressive emissions numbers shouldn't carry much weight in deciding on a stove. Here's why. The independent testing authority states emissions at the rate of 10 grams per hour produces non-visible emissions. Therefore, since 10 grams/hour is virtually zero emissions, then would you rule out a stove because of variations under 10 grams? Of course not. If 10 grams is zero, all numbers under 10 are the same...zero. Therefore, don't choose a stove on the basis of being cleaner burning than another. They're all EPA certified to be virtually zero emissions.
Brochure Fix: Don't let an emissions rating influence your choice of a stove.


Brochure Flaw 8:
BTU ratings are wildly arbitrary. It is common to read the BTUs of a small stove nearly the same as a extra large stove with twice the rated heating capacity. To date, no one has provided a good reason for this discrepancy. Any stove's max heat output is more dependent on wood dryness level, and air intake rate, than the stove size. A stove air intake is dependent on the chimneys air pulling power. It could vary 4 fold by being tall with a metal liner, verses short with no liner. Add in wood moisture content variations. External factors have much more to do with BTU output than the size or model of the stove.
Brochure Fix: Don't let a BTU rating influence your choice of a stove.

 

Please don't skip the demo, provided at 52 Main Street, Wakefield. On weekdays, please call 401-783-6054 with an hour's notice to prepare for your visit, anytime between 10-7 PM. Saturdays 10-5pm without any call prior. Rest assured, there's never any pressure to buy. After the demo, no purchase or deposit is necessary. I'll email a written quote for the whole package, installed with permit. You can mull it over, and if interested, email back stating you'd like to proceed. Expect installation within 1-5 days, and pay from home on completion, saving a trip back to the store.

I'm often asked why it's so important to come in for a demonstration. It's because flash combustion (FC) stoves don't remotely resemble wood stoves you are familiar with. FC stoves & inserts deliver five major improvements, which are not explained on the web, or demonstrated by sales clerks in other wood stove stores. I find this quite odd, but it's true. Flash combustion stoves are unique on several levels, making them three to four times improved. They're an entirely different product, but with weaknesses important to understand.

As an engineer and educator, I founded both Fireside Stove and Ocean State Chimney 30 years ago. I'm uniquely qualified and enjoy assisting shoppers in selecting the optimal stove You'll see by demonstration today's stoves nothing like air tight wood stoves of yesteryear. Flash combustion stoves boast five major improvements.  Doubling the efficiency to 80-90%, doubles what air tights provided, but this just makes them twice as good, by cutting wood usage in half. This leaves 4 more great new  features to make FC stoves more than just twice as good. All combined, wood burning is 3-4 times improved. This is not explained anywhere on the web or other stores. It takes a demonstration of these 5 areas of improvement to fully comprehend how this could be. It's an enjoyable experience for all who visit.

HOWEVER, the demo doesn't end by concluding flash combustion wood burning is 3-4 times improved. This is the starting point of why it is so important to come in for the demo. You're now able to understand the magnitude of the loss, as most FC stoves soon fail. Showing why most models fail with no repair or warranty recourse, is the second part of the in-store demo. Ironically, it is the more expensive brands, as well as extreme low-end brands, that are soon reduced to scrap metal. The third part of the demonstration is seeing a uniquely engineered stove design that will never fail. As a distributer, buying in bulk allows me to discount lifetime quality stoves substantially, with a forever low price guarantee included. I'm also a chimney and installation expert of 30 years. Have over 3000 happy stove customers, and over 8000 chimney service customers all over RI.

 

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